No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

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Public theology. Human flourishing. The good life.

  • 48 minutes 36 seconds
    166: Shai Held: Judaism Is About Love

    “I think part of what it means to live in an honest way with a religious tradition is to live with its ragged edges.”

    It’s not unusual to assume that one of religion's prime functions is to give us answers. But what if some of life’s hardest questions weren’t meant to be answered, but rather perpetually asked?

    In this episode, Rabbi Shai Held, author of the book, "Judaism is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life,” exemplifies this possibility, engaging the messiness and joy of life with honest grappling. He argues that some Jews have internalized traditional anti-Jewish bias and he seeks to help recover what has been lost. He shows that love and grace are at the center of a good life.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Judaism Is About Love by Shai Held

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    Miroslav Volf: A Theology of Joy

    Pete Enns and Jared Byas: The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Episode Transcript


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    25 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 11 minutes
    165: Unabridged Interview: Peter Enns and Jared Byas

    This is our unabridged interview with Pete Enns and Jared Byas.

    “It was our curiosity about the Bible that is now leading to conclusions that are no longer welcome in these institutions.”

    Pete Enns and Jared Byas host The Bible for Normal People, a podcast which is loved by some, lambasted by others. They started it as a way to have honest conversations about the Bible, for folks both religious and non-religious -- conversations that cost them both previous jobs at religious institutions.

    In this episode, they discuss the complexity of the Bible, and what their work has taught them about courage, curiosity, humility, and the dangers of certainty.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Sin of Certainty by Pete Enns

    How the Bible Actually Works by Pete Enns

    Love Matters More by Jared Byas

    The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry


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    23 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 48 minutes 12 seconds
    165: Pete Enns and Jared Byas: The Bible for Normal People

    “It was our curiosity about the Bible that is now leading to conclusions that are no longer welcome in these institutions.”

    Pete Enns and Jared Byas host The Bible for Normal People, a podcast which is loved by some, lambasted by others. They started it as a way to have honest conversations about the Bible, for folks both religious and non-religious -- conversations that cost them both previous jobs at religious institutions.

    In this episode, they discuss the complexity of the Bible, and what their work has taught them about courage, curiosity, humility, and the dangers of certainty.


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    The Sin of Certainty by Pete Enns

    How the Bible Actually Works by Pete Enns

    Love Matters More by Jared Byas

    The Bible for Normal People

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link

    Similar No Small Endeavor episodes:

    Amy-Jill Levine: A Jewish Take on Jesus

    Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See the World

    N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry


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    18 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 26 minutes
    164: Unabridged Interview: Stanley Hauerwas (Part II)

    This is our unabridged interview with Stanley Hauerwas (Part II).

    “This is my life. I want no other.”

    Time Magazine has recognized Stanley Hauerwas as the best theologian in America. But you don’t get that title by making everybody happy. Stanley's enigmatic personality is loved by some, lambasted by others. His dogged pacifism is laced with profanity. He’s a stereotypical Texan, but is a vocal opponent of gun ownership. Many think him to be a liberal, but he disavows liberalism. Others call him conservative, but his extreme dislike for evangelicalism and war-making dispute that claim.

    Wherever you're coming from, you're in for a disarmingly candid episode on one man's life in his own words, a life spent relentlessly seeking the nature of a good life.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Hannah’s Child by Stanley Hauerwas

    John Dear NSE Interview

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    16 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 14 minutes
    164: Unabridged Interview: Stanley Hauerwas (Part I)

    This is our unabridged interview with Stanley Hauerwas (Part I).

    “This is my life. I want no other.”

    Time Magazine has recognized Stanley Hauerwas as the best theologian in America. But you don’t get that title by making everybody happy. Stanley's enigmatic personality is loved by some, lambasted by others. His dogged pacifism is laced with profanity. He’s a stereotypical Texan, but is a vocal opponent of gun ownership. Many think him to be a liberal, but he disavows liberalism. Others call him conservative, but his extreme dislike for evangelicalism and war-making dispute that claim.

    Wherever you're coming from, you're in for a disarmingly candid episode on one man's life in his own words, a life spent relentlessly seeking the nature of a good life.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Hannah’s Child by Stanley Hauerwas

    John Dear NSE Interview

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    16 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 48 minutes 14 seconds
    164: Stanley Hauerwas: "America's Best Theologian"

    “This is my life. I want no other.”

    Time Magazine has recognized Stanley Hauerwas as the best theologian in America. But you don’t get that title by making everybody happy. Stanley's enigmatic personality is loved by some, lambasted by others. His dogged pacifism is laced with profanity. He’s a stereotypical Texan, but is a vocal opponent of gun ownership. Many think him to be a liberal, but he disavows liberalism. Others call him conservative, but his extreme dislike for evangelicalism and war-making dispute that claim.

    Wherever you're coming from, you're in for a disarmingly candid episode on one man's life in his own words, a life spent relentlessly seeking the nature of a good life.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    Hannah’s Child by Stanley Hauerwas

    John Dear NSE Interview

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link 

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    11 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 49 minutes 55 seconds
    163: Unabridged Interview: Jeffrey Rosen

    This is our unabridged interview with Jeffrey Rosen.

    “In many ways, we're living in the founders’ nightmare,” says Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center. “All of the founders thought that we could not govern ourselves as a democracy unless we first achieved self-government as individuals.”

    For Independence Day, Rosen shares how the "pursuit of happiness" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is defined differently than our contemporary notion of the word. It includes a life in pursuit of self-mastery as what would ensure our individual and collective flourishing. Jeffrey also discusses the goods of stoic philosophy and touts the practice of deep reading as a potential antidote to civic issues the U.S. is facing currently.


    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen

    We The People Podcast

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


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    9 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 48 minutes 18 seconds
    163: Jeffrey Rosen: The Pursuit of Happiness

    “In many ways, we're living in the founders’ nightmare,” says Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center. “All of the founders thought that we could not govern ourselves as a democracy unless we first achieved self-government as individuals.”

    For Independence Day, Rosen shares how the "pursuit of happiness" mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is defined differently than our contemporary notion of the word. It includes a life in pursuit of self-mastery as what would ensure our individual and collective flourishing. Jeffrey also discusses the goods of stoic philosophy and touts the practice of deep reading as a potential antidote to civic issues the U.S. is facing currently.


    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen

    We The People Podcast

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link 


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    4 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 8 minutes
    162: Unabridged Interview: Emi Nietfeld

    This is our unabridged interview with Emi Nietfeld.

    “When I was 13, I went to the psych ward for the first time,” recalls Emi Nietfeld.

    After a childhood spent in manipulative therapy, institutional facilities, foster care, and even times of homelessness, Emi got into Harvard, and then went on to get a great job at Google. This is the classic American rags-to-riches story, of someone overcoming misery to find success and happiness, right?

    Not exactly. “Those perfect human interest stories are fictions,” she says. “We really do expect people to be perfect in a way that I knew I was not.” In this episode, the nuance of learning to accept one’s pain, and yet refusing to stand for it.


    ** Please be advised that this episode contains details that may be upsetting to some listeners including references to suicide, sexual assault, and disordered eating. **

    Additional resources are available at: 

    SAMHSA

    National Sexual Violence Resource Center

    National Alliance for Eating Disorders


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Acceptance by Emi Nietfeld

    Quote from James Baldwin “Notes of a Native Son”

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode


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    2 July 2024, 10:00 am
  • 48 minutes 8 seconds
    162: Emi Nietfeld: Acceptance

    “When I was 13, I went to the psych ward for the first time,” recalls Emi Nietfeld.

    After a childhood spent in manipulative therapy, institutional facilities, foster care, and even times of homelessness, Emi got into Harvard, and then went on to get a great job at Google. This is the classic American rags-to-riches story, of someone overcoming misery to find success and happiness, right?

    Not exactly. “Those perfect human interest stories are fictions,” she says. “We really do expect people to be perfect in a way that I knew I was not.” In this episode, the nuance of learning to accept one’s pain, and yet refusing to stand for it.


    ** Please be advised that this episode contains details that may be upsetting to some listeners including references to suicide, sexual assault, and disordered eating. **

    Additional resources are available at: 

    SAMHSA

    National Sexual Violence Resource Center

    National Alliance for Eating Disorders


    Show Notes

    Resources mentioned this episode:

    Acceptance by Emi Nietfeld

    Quote from James Baldwin “Notes of a Native Son”

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcription Link


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    27 June 2024, 10:00 am
  • 51 minutes 28 seconds
    161: Unabridged Interview: Charles Duhigg

    This is our unabridged interview with Charles Duhigg.

    How do you form a good habit? How do you change a destructive one?

    “It's up to us to decide which…habits that we wish to embrace,” says Charles Duhigg, author of the longtime bestseller "The Power of Habit." In this episode, he explains how to tackle new and old habits in an empowering way. 

    Plus, Duhigg discusses his new book "Supercommunicators," in which he shares how to understand the type of conversation you're having with someone and how to show them your listening—hint, it’s not with your body language.

    Show Notes:

    Resources mentioned this episode

    The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg

    Supercommunicators by Charles Duhigg

    PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes

    Transcript for Abridged Episode

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    25 June 2024, 10:00 am
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