It’s election season, and it’s been an interesting ride to this cycle’s moment of truth! Jen and Amy dive deep into the heart of the upcoming 2024 election with the insightful women from Pantsuit Politics–Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. The conversation centers around the distinct dynamics shaping this election, along with insight as to why it’s vastly different from 2016; sparking a thought-provoking dialogue about the evolving political landscape. 

With Vice President Kamala Harris potentially on the brink of breaking barriers as our first female president, the discussion also touches on the hopes and challenges ahead. Sarah and Beth were participants at the Democratic National Convention in August, and they share what that experience was like, and how it informed their views of the current political terrain. As we look to a potentially historic outcome, Beth and Sarah share practical ways we can engage in the process and build community as we navigate this pivotal moment together.

You also won’t want to miss a new GenXcellence segment where Jen and Amy reminisce about their first voting experiences. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Humans rising to the moment; that just never gets old to me. That's what politics can really be--including politicians who I know get a really bad rap. But watching them come into a moment they couldn't have expected, watching history show up on their doorsteps and go, all right, let's do it. I think it's just been so exhilarating”. - Sarah Stewart Holland

“I could talk all day about all the things that Vice President Harris has done that no one talks about. I have been on the train for years that Biden needed to be a one term president, and that she was an excellent successor to him. And I think it's played out in a really strange way that presents some challenges, but also some opportunities for her. I am thrilled that America is finally getting to have a real introduction to her.” - Beth Silvers

“Good governance needs people advocating for really different approaches to legislation, to policy, to issues, to messaging.” - Beth Silvers

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Project 2025 - https://bit.ly/3XqR2jt

New York Times Article about Jelly Roll - https://bit.ly/3MrFrKv

I Think Your’re Wrong (But I'm Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://www.amazon.com/Think-Youre-Wrong-Listening-Conversations/dp/1400208416

Now What? By Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://bit.ly/4cOXV2b

Guest’s Links:

Pantsuit Politics Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/

Pantsuit Politics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Twitter - https://bit.ly/3Xsx32H

Pantsuit Politics Substack - https://substack.com/@pantsuitpolitics

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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It’s a brand new season of the show and we are thrilled to have Amy Hardin, Jen’s longtime friend, join us on the podcast for a whole new adventure in laughing at ourselves and learning from our incredible guests. 

The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins Jen and Amy today to challenge our culture's obsession with productivity and time management. Kendra offers a revolutionary perspective: the problem isn't you — it's the capitalistic, patriarchal culture we've all been raised in. Kendra unpacks why traditional productivity advice often fails women and shares a more compassionate approach for managing busy lives. 

Whether you're drowning in laundry, juggling work and family, or simply craving a kinder way to approach your days, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and equipped with practical strategies.

Discover how to:

• Shift your mindset from pursuing 'greatness' to embracing contentment
• Take small, sustainable steps instead of attempting drastic overhauls
• Adapt your systems to fit your unique life and needs
• Find freedom from rigid to-do lists and unrealistic expectations

Don't miss Kendra's sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Plan' - it just might change your life!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"I thought I just had to try harder or give up. And those are not the only two options, everybody. There's a wide middle between ‘try hard’ and ‘give up.’ And so that's when I pivoted my online writing to this space to the Lazy Genius Ecosystem, as you called it, which is, 'let's be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And everyone gets to choose what those things are.'" - Kendra Adachi

"I think that we forget that the paradigm that we all live under in a Western, capitalistic, patriarchal society is not one that supports what I'm talking about in many ways. And so, it's hard to do. It's very, very hard because the waters that we live in really do not support this kind of idea. So the problem is not you is what I'm saying. The problem is not you." - Kendra Adachi

"Your to-do list is not the boss of you. It's a tool." - Kendra Adachi

“93% of time management productivity books are written by men.” - Kendra Adachi

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book

The Lazy Genius Podcast - https://bit.ly/4drs4WB

The Lazy Genius Way - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/way

For the Love Podcast ft. Kendra Adachi - https://bit.ly/3WUZdD7

The Plan by Kendra Adachi - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/theplan

For the Love Podcast ft. Emily P. Freeman - https://bit.ly/4cGSRNr

Guest’s Links

Website - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelazygenius/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2548803345149849

Twitter - https://twitter.com/lazykendra

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!  

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other. 

If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/

Guest’s Links:

Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/

Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/

Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en

Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron

Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, return together to introduce this previous interview with Jennifer Garner that was one of For the Love’s top downloaded episodes of all time. Jen and Amy chat about their favorite Jennifer Garner projects and how impressed they are with her activism and philanthropic work.

In the interview itself, Jennifer Garner shares how she navigates life as a mom, an entrepreneur, and an actress. So many of us have followed Jen's career through TV & film, but she takes us back to the early days when she fell in love with theater, doing auditions in New York while she slept on the floor of a friend’s home who offered a place to lay her head. We also find out that her first job was working with Melissa Gilbert (Laura Ingalls of Little House on the Prairie fame) and how that eventually led to working with J.J. Abrams in Felicity, who then cast her in her breakout role as the star of Alias. The two Jens discuss everything from what it’s like to raise kids as they transition from littles to bigs and what eventually drove Jen’s pursuits outside of Hollywood to co-found Once Upon a Farm and become involved with Save the Children. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Change is hard. I mean, I have a tendency to, or I did when I was younger, where I leapt into living in New York before I thought about living in New York. And then I leapt into moving to LA, and then had to absorb that, wait a minute, I just left this all. That was a big transition for me, because I didn't realize I had built a community for myself in New York.” - Jennifer Garner    

“I hunted down what organization was really doing work in rural America and Save the Children was all over the world. Our whole global goal is to help kids where no one wants to go and where no one's helping them. So we are in Afghanistan, we're always in the middle of the Ebola crisis, we're always in the middle of helping kids as they're leaving Syria. And we're in those refugee camps and we're in disasters, and we are hand in hand with the Red Cross, and just one of the leading organizations helping kids in the whole world. And in the US, the work is so beautiful. And it's almost unknown, because we're in the little tucked away corners.” - Jennifer Garner  

“I think food insecurity and poverty in America, it's a little bit invisible, because we want it to be. We choose what we look at. And so, it is, in some ways, easier to look across the globe and see it somewhere else in a country that is so different than ours or with such obvious distinctions. But the food insecurity in America is high, high, high.” - Jen Hatmaker 

“You know what I love? I love any community. I just like to be in a community.” - Jennifer Garner  

“What is saving my life right now? I mean, I can’t imagine it ever being anything other than girlfriends.” - Jennifer Garner 

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Once Upon a Farm - https://onceuponafarmorganics.com/pages/jens-farm

Save the Children - https://bit.ly/4dnOuHM

13 Going on 30 - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/

The Last Thing He Told Me - https://bit.ly/4d9wEbK

Love, Simon - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5164432/

Guest’s Links:

Jennifer’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.garner/?hl=en

Jennifer’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejengarner?lang=en

Jennifer’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JenniferGarner/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, are back together to introduce this interview with Kate Bowler that originally aired as a premium channel episode. They examine the ways a “toxic positivity” mindset and a misguided understanding of “blessings” can harm relationships and culture.

If you’ve ever felt your soul drag to the ground after reading a #blessed post on Instagram, there’s relief for you here. Kate Bowler shows us a gentler way to look at the concept of blessings, so that someone else’s #blessing doesn’t feel like our #fail. 

In the interview, Jen and Kate talk about: 

• A brief history of the prosperity gospel in America and the origins of toxic positivity
• The original definition of “blessing” from the Bible
• The absurdity of life and how tragedy can feel when watching other people’s happiness
• What the point of praying is
• Kate tries out being a late night radio DJ and shares a blessing she wrote specifically for our podcast

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“[Toxic positivity] is the overemphasis, the bright siding of truth to the point where you can't be honest. You can't really say what's going on.” - Kate Bowler

“There is frankly almost no relationship between people's lives working out and whether they are fundamentally good and lovable by God among other people, period.” - Kate Bowler

 “I was in a waiting room the other day looking over at two people absolutely cracking each other up over an oxygen machine. And I felt the flicker of the tragic comedy of the world, and I was like, ‘Yep, that is a little blessing.’” - Kate Bowler

“Such a weird moment when your life is in tatters and then you just see somebody walking their dog. You're like, ‘What are you doing? How is that happening? Why are you laughing?’” - Jen Hatmaker

“The more we take what we think we know, and then we just rearrange it a bit, it offers us a chance to see something.” - Kate Bowler

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/46ynpPX

The Lives We Actually Have, 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4ftQOie

Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler - 

https://bit.ly/46DRopS

For the Love episode with Maggie Smith - https://bit.ly/4fwTfR4

Have a Beautiful Terrible Day by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4cdiS6T

Guest’s Links:

Kate’s Website: https://katebowler.com/

Kate’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katecbowler 

Kate’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katecbowler/ 

Kate’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecbowler 

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!  

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other. 

If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride -  https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/

Guest’s Links:

Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/

Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/

Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en

Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron

Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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As part of our summer series of re-airing the best of “For the Love,” we also have Jen’s long time friend, Amy Hardin, joining Jen to introduce this episode that was originally aired on the premium channel. In this new episode, we’ll hear about Jen and Amy’s summer so far and what constitutes guilty pleasure TV binges.

True crime might be considered a guilty pleasure, but if you haven’t done a deep dive into the genre, then this will be an eye opening conversation for you. We’ve got an amazing guest who is here to talk about the true crime podcast phenomenon, and she’s one of the folks that really put it on the map — Ashley Flowers, the host of the wildly popular podcast, Crime Junkies. 

Ashley Flowers and her co-host Brit have spent years researching, analyzing, and solving cases. And with over 1 billion downloads, it’s easy to say they are pretty good at what they do. Jen and Ashley get into how Crime Junkies got started, their thoughts on why the true crime genre is so popular and how Ashely’s using the platform to educate as well as entertain.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I was looking for something specific, and the way we tell the stories was all based on me as the fan, not coming into a genre and being like, ‘It's popular. What can I do to make it successful?’ It was, ‘What would I really care about?’ And I think that's been the success of this show, as it comes from such a genuine place.” – Ashley Flowers 

“I founded a nonprofit called Season of Justice that's all about funding testing for law enforcement. We pay the labs directly so we can do this advanced testing. Because I found in my work and the more I talk to families, the more I talk to law enforcement, one of the barriers over and over again was just finances. And that's where I was like, ‘I can fix that.’" – Ashley Flowers  

“If you're truly invested in the community, there are so many different ways you can get involved and use your own talents to make a real difference and help solve these cases. I'm a storyteller, I'm a business owner, and now I'm solving murders.” – Ashley Flowers 

Guest’s Links:

All Good People Here by Ashley Flowers - ​​https://www.amazon.com/All-Good-People-Here-Novel/dp/0593496477 

Ashley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ashleyflowers/?hl=en 

Crime Junkie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast/?hl=en 

Season of Justice - https://seasonofjustice.org 

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://Jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/JenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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Móni Guzmán came to the US from Mexico with her family many decades ago. In the past two presidential elections, her parents voted for Trump while she voted for Clinton and Biden. This created the kind of tension that must be managed very carefully. Fortunately, and relatedly, Móni has professional experience with difficult conversations in her capacity as a senior fellow at Braver Angels. We lean heavily on the ideas in Móni’s book, I Never Thought of It That Way, in this episode and throughout our 5-part series on getting along: Rupture + Repair.

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It’s been two years since Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court. As the power to rule over women’s reproductive rights reverts to the states, we are seeing many move toward vast limitations of reproductive choices, including bans on terminating pregnancies, but also devastating impediments toward the processes that have helped those who are struggling with infertility have a chance to conceive. To open up this conversation and really delve into what this decision means, we have Jen’s longtime friend Amy Hardin joining the pod. As women who lived their childbearing years under the protections of Roe v. Wade, Jen and Amy discuss what the aftermath will look for the next generation of women. 

Later on the show, we’ll feature an interview with Dr. Natalie Crawford, a Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility Specialist in Austin, TX who really helps us break down all the salient issues. Dr. Crawford sensitively approaches all the repercussions of not having a safe way for a woman to terminate a pregnancy that many of us may not have even considered. Wherever you stand on the issue of abortion, these conversations show the ripple effect this decision has had on women’s ability to make health choices for themselves and how it affects women who do wish to conceive and the hurdles they will now face.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Reproductive care doesn't exist in silos. Abortion access is just one part of the triangle of reproductive care. And fertility care is on one end and gynecological care and OB/GYN care is on the other, but they all exist together, for a variety of reasons.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“You could die in pregnancy even though you have zero risk factors. We know that this happens. And so when we start assigning the idea that reproductive choice or ending a pregnancy is morally bad because you're killing a baby or a fetus, what we're really doing is devaluing the life of that mother who's carrying the baby because at any moment it could go a way that could turn lethal.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“We have allowed politics to infiltrate medicine and people are getting cared for differently because of the current political world. That should terrify anybody who knows somebody in their life with a uterus, that really should terrify you.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“Black women have three to four times the chance of dying in childbirth, even when controlled for proper prenatal care or socioeconomic class, meaning even if you are educated and you have access to care, the color of your skin is a contributing factor to you walking out of childbirth alive. That is devastating.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford 

“You're either a fan of reproductive care and you respect the fact that people deserve the integrity to make their choices with their medical professionals and their loved ones, or you don't.” – Dr. Natalie Crawford

Guest’s Links:

Website - https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com 

Fora Fertility - https://www.forafertilityaustin.com 

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/ 

Twitter - https://twitter.com/ncrawfordmd 

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://Jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/JenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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We’re bringing back one of our most popular episodes ever on the pod - featuring “The Body Keeps the Score” author Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. And for a fun NEW take on the episode, Jen Hatmaker has asked one of her best friends, Amy Hardin, to join her to discuss their thoughts on this episode! Listen as Jen and Amy discuss their meet cute and then wade into the episode which delves into the relationship between trauma and the body, relating their personal experiences around this. 

Dr. Van Der Kolk is a psychiatrist, author, researcher and author of the book The Body Keeps The Score. He has spent most of his career researching the causes of post traumatic stress, and is continuing to come away with groundbreaking discoveries about the power of our bodies to protect and shield us. Dr. Van Der Kolk brings us to the intersection of embodiment, mental well-being, and neuroscience and examines how we can understand our bodies’ response to trauma so we can embrace our healing.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“People think about trauma as that thing that happened a long time ago. But that's not the issue, because that thing is over. It happened last year or 10 years ago, it's not happening today. But the traces that it leaves inside of you, are happening now.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“When you're traumatized, you try to not have all the sensations and feelings, and you turn on music loudly, or you drink or you take drugs, to make those feelings go away. And then to experience your feelings becomes very difficult.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“The most elementary thing is breathing. Our breath is the one thing in our body that happens whether we want it or not. And we can learn to breathe differently. So there's a physiological function that gives us access to some core pieces of ourselves, where you slow down your breath, you focus on breath, you activate your parasympathetic nervous system, and you do become calmer. That's where you start.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  

“You cannot take care of yourself unless you accept yourself for who you are.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 

“When you're traumatized, one thing becomes another thing. So to open that up, and open up the mind to new possibilities is incredibly important.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Body Keeps The Score by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3zyCVPk

Guest’s Links:

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Website - https://www.besselvanderkolk.com

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodykeepsthescore/

Dr. Van Der Kolk’s YouTube - https://bit.ly/3RZpoa8

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Kirsten Powers is a tenured news analyst who lived inside our modern age’s belly of the beast — 24-Hour Network News. Kirsten Powers lived and breathed as a senior news analyst at Fox News and then CNN for years. Eventually, she hit a breaking point and realized living full throttle, enraged about the state of the world, wasn't doing her or anyone she loved any favors. She pulled back and began examining what it would be like if she stayed engaged in political news but also still centered and compassionate. Through her examination, she wrote an entire book about how to embrace grace and disengage from inflammatory discourse called “Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.”

If you need some advice on how to balance that tightrope walk of being informed and actionable but not totally defeated by the litany of bad news, please join Jen and Kirsten as they determine what grace looks like when the world feels culturally and politically on fire. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I feel like what our culture is missing is grace. We don't have grace for each other, and I don't have grace for people, and I don't think other people have grace for people, for the most part. And I think it's because we don't really understand grace.” - Kirsten Powers

“When you call things out, you need to call it behavior. You need to say, "You're doing X, Y, and Z, and this is a problem," versus, "You are X, Y, and Z, and you are a problem.” - Kirsten Powers

“Boundaries were really hard for me. And one of the things that I discovered was, I think I thought of boundaries as almost aggressive. You're keeping people out, and that's not actually what they are. You're actually letting people know how to be in a relationship with you. So it's actually an act of grace, right?” - Kirsten Powers

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

• Richard Rohr on FTL Podcast: https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series-16/live-yourself-into-a-new-way-of-thinking-richard-rohr/
• Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts
• https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/saving-grace-kirsten-powers/1138990768?ean=9780593238233
• Fierce, Free and Full of Fire: The Guide to Being Glorious You https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fierce-free-and-full-of-fire-jen-hatmaker/1132184307?ean=9780718088163&aug=1
• Kirsten’s Substack Newsletter: https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/
• For the Love of the Enneagram (Jen’s podcast series on the Enneagram): https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series/series-27/

Guest’s Links:

• Kirsten’s Website: https://kirstenpowers.com/
• Kirsten’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kirstenpowers10/ 
• Kirsten’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/KirstenPowers/
• Kirsten’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/KirstenPowers

Connect with Jen!

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Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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