Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

Rick Hanson, Ph.D., Forrest Hanson

  • 1 hour 17 minutes
    Understanding the “Flight” Response: Anxiety, Avoidance, and Feeling Safe

    Dr. Rick and Forrest discuss the “flight” response to stress, which includes feelings of anxiety and fear, avoidant behavior, and an underlying sense of insecurity. They explore the emotions and behaviors associated with the flight response, and how we can build up a stronger, more secure sense of who we are. Rick shares some practical tools that will help you change your self-concept, safely apply principles from graduated exposure, and feel safer from the inside-out.

    I’ve loved this series on the stress responses, and think you’ll get a lot out of this episode.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:00: The purpose of the flight response, and when it is and isn’t useful

    5:35: Social withdrawal, conflict avoidance, and preserving safety vs. comfort

    12:15: The trouble with low likelihood, high-cost risks

    16:35: Exploring our capacity for stress, and identifying the risks worth taking

    26:30: Feeling “sturdy,” and why we choose the flight response vs. other stress responses

    33:30: Graduated exposure 

    39:05: Learning to trust our new capabilities as we change

    44:50: Overdoing a change as a form of self-sabotage, and reserving the power to flee

    54:25: Responding to anxiety

    1:01:40: Being present with painful situations we can’t escape

    1:08:40: Recap

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    20 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 8 minutes
    Managing The “Fight” Response: Anger, Repression, and Self-Regulation

    Dr. Rick and Forrest continue their series on the stress responses with the “fight” response to stress. They explore anger, repression, and the balance of self-expression and self-regulation before talking about how we can claim the adaptive aspects of the fight response without falling prey to its more problematic aspects. A major focus of the episode is resentment and repression, alongside related topics like empowering yourself, managing expectations, and “experiencing out.”

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:15: The useful aspects of anger

    5:40: Specific behaviors associated with the fight response

    8:35: Giving yourself permission to express anger

    13:40: Navigating resentment

    21:40: Thwarted expectations as a source of unhealthy anger

    32:05: Claiming your anger, and being wary of its seductive nature

    35:45: Developing an authentic sense of empowerment

    39:45: Going from complaint to request

    43:30: Antidotes to unhealthy anger

    52:40: Challenging authority without feeling intimidated or shamed

    54:20: When we’re angry at ourselves

    59:00: Recap

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    13 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 32 minutes
    Everything You Need to Know About Therapy

    In this mega-episode, clinical psychologist Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson explore everything you need to know about therapy. They share how you can get more from therapy, finding the approach that’s right for you, and some perspectives on why therapy is so expensive. They then run through the five major schools of Western psychotherapy before discussing a few alternative modalities. You’ll learn how long to stick with a therapist before looking for alternatives, questions to ask a prospective therapist, and how to maximize your results.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:40: The biggest factors that contribute to therapy going well

    7:25: Finding the therapeutic modality that works for you

    14:00: The cost of therapy, and the problem created by insurance companies

    20:35: The five major schools of western psychotherapy

    21:20: Psychodynamic therapy, and investigating the unconscious

    23:20: Behavioral therapy, and variable reinforcement

    25:55: Humanistic psychology, and seeing the good in yourself

    29:05: Cognitive therapy, why insurance companies like CBT, and exploring our beliefs

    36:15: Mindfulness-based therapies, and being with our experiences

    41:15: Family systems therapy, social justice, somatic therapy, and non-Western thinking

    46:20: The differences (and similarities) between therapy and coaching

    52:40: How long therapy should take, and how to evaluate if it’s working

    1:02:15: The role of client motivation 

    1:04:55: Questions to ask a prospective therapist

    1:10:15: The importance of the therapist’s engagement

    1:12:50: Common qualities Rick found challenging with past clients

    1:16:05: The importance of internalizing change, and recognizing what’s really shifting

    1:21:20: Recap

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    6 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 57 minutes 37 seconds
    Healing After Trauma with Dr. Peter Levine

    Somatic psychology legend Dr. Peter Levine joins Dr. Rick and Forrest to explore how we can use body-based approaches to recover from traumatic experiences. Peter uses his personal history with trauma to illustrate the practices he’s taught to thousands of people through his work. They discuss the importance of resourcing experiences, creating safety, developing interoception, abandonment wounds, bringing a diverse perspective to somatic work, and working with shame. 

    Please be aware that this episode includes a description of sexual assault.

    About our Guest: Dr. Peter Levine is the creator of Somatic Experiencing and the Founder and President of the Ergos Institute for Somatic Education. He’s taught at a number of universities, has received Lifetime Achievement awards from numerous organizations, and is the best-selling author of several books, including Waking the Tiger, Healing Trauma, and his most recent book An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    2:15: Peter’s dream about publishing his recent book

    6:40: Themes connecting the personal and professional for Peter

    10:15: Physicalization, pendulation, and decontextualization of trauma

    16:15: Presence with others, and moving gently into shame to move through it

    20:55: The fundamental view that we our innately healthy, and completing the arc

    23:05: When the prompt “feel it in your body” doesn’t work

    28:15: Advice for when you don’t have access to therapy or a SEP practitioner

    30:35: Tenderness

    34:30: Anchoring in the here and now when accessing past memories

    39:35: Conceiving of yourself as a source of safety

    43:30: Generating your own internal wellbeing

    46:20: Acknowledging the reality of your history, patience, and completion

    49:45: Living by dying

    52:15: Recap

    Offer from Dr. Rick: If you'd like to improve your self-worth, check out Rick's new 4-hour, live online workshop. You'll learn methods and practices that can actually change your brain and your habits, so you start nurturing your sense of worth and belonging. Our listeners can get 20% off with coupon code BeingWell20: https://selfworthworkshop.com/

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

    Sponsors

    If you’re navigating something messy, call The Dr. John Delony Show. Dr. John shares practical advice on how to connect with people, face depression, overcome anxiety, and learn what it means to be well. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. 

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    Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month!

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    29 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    Recovering from a Challenging Childhood: Reclaim, Resupply, and Repair

    Dr. Rick and Forrest explore a huge topic: what can we do to recover from a difficult childhood as an adult? Rick introduces a three step process that can help us reclaim our past, identify the key needs we have these days, and internalize related positive experiences. They discuss related tools from psychology like releasing repressed emotions, claiming agency where we can, and changing what we emphasize in the story of our lives. If you had a hard time growing up, this one’s for you.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:40: Recovering from childhood wounds - Reclaim, Resupply, and Repair

    7:00: Clarifying your personal narrative, and the importance of agency

    12:25: How the unmet needs from your past impacts your present

    18:25: Changing what we emphasize in the story we tell ourselves

    28:50: Letting the fizz out of the bottle

    32:20: Identifying the right medicine for your unresolved wounds 

    38:00: How developing competency helps you break free from your past

    41:50: Self-soothing through envisioning positive experiences

    45:00: The process of letting go of the childhood you wish you had

    57:50: Naming what you want from life, and the universal ground of being

    1:02:00: Recap 

    Offer from Dr. Rick: If you'd like to improve your self-worth, check out Rick's new 4-hour, live online workshop. You'll learn methods and practices that can actually change your brain and your habits, so you start nurturing your sense of worth and belonging. Our listeners can get 20% off with coupon code BeingWell20: https://selfworthworkshop.com/

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

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    22 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    Dealing with Emotionally Immature People (and Parents) with Dr. Lindsay Gibson

    Dr. Lindsay Gibson joins the podcast to share her groundbreaking work on emotional maturity. Forrest and Dr. Gibson explore how growing up with emotionally immature caregivers can affect our adult relationships, and what we can do to recover from these experiences, build healthier patterns, and disentangle from emotionally immature people. They start by discussing what emotional immaturity means, some of its key characteristics, and the consequences of growing up with emotionally immature parents. They then talk about how we can move away from “role-self” and develop a deeper connection with who we really are. You’ll learn practical tools for recognizing emotionally immature people, managing your relationships with them effectively, and establishing healthy boundaries.

    About our Guest: Dr. Lindsay Gibson is a clinical psychologist and the author of a number of books including Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents and Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People. Her most recent work is the Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents Guided Journal.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:20: What is emotional immaturity?

    7:25: Affective realism and involuntary coping mechanisms

    14:00: An example of a childhood with emotionally immature caregivers

    18:50: The “role-self,” and how children respond to a parent’s lack of empathy

    25:15: Receiving guidance from the authentic self

    29:25: How the role-self affects relationships in adulthood

    41:25: Healthier relationships by connecting with the authentic self

    50:10: Letting go of healing fantasies in adult relationships

    56:10: Guilt, emotional coercion, fear of loneliness, and finding optimal distance

    1:02:55: How to identify with yourself as a secure base

    1:06:20: Recap

    Offer from Dr. Rick: If you'd like to improve your self-worth, check out Rick's new 4-hour, live online workshop. You'll learn methods and practices that can actually change your brain and your habits, so you start nurturing your sense of worth and belonging. Our listeners can get 20% off with coupon code BeingWell20: https://selfworthworkshop.com/

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

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    Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month!

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    15 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 16 minutes
    How to Make the Most of Your 20s with Dr. Meg Jay

    Twentysomethings are bombarded with misinformation, hype, and contradictory messages that pull them in many different directions. Dr. Meg Jay, a specialist on what she calls the “defining decade,” joins Forrest to explore how we can navigate this transformative and often anxiety-provoking time in our lives. They discuss the biggest misunderstandings about our 20s, balancing having fun with setting yourself up for the future, and common mental health issues. Topics include the pitfalls of self-diagnosis, creating a strong self-concept and building identity capital, dealing with burnout, strengthening our relationships, and more. 

    About our Guest: Dr. Meg Jay is a developmental clinical psychologist who specializes in twentysomethings. She is on faculty at the University of Virginia, and is the author of a number of wonderful books, including The Defining Decade and her new book The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction

    1:20: The biggest misunderstanding about life in your 20s

    4:55: Uncertainty, and becoming confident in our abilities

    8:30: Nihilism about the current state of the world

    14:50: Self-diagnosis, social media, and over medication

    23:25: The “strength of weak ties”

    27:20: Self-concept and identity capital

    30:30: What helps people take action

    34:15: Navigating avoidance and anxiety

    41:55: Finding evidence that you’re capable of being loved

    46:35: What to do you when you feel stuck

    49:20: How to choose purpose

    58:55: Advice to people who feel like they messed up their 20s

    1:04:45: Recap

    Offer from Dr. Rick: If you'd like to improve your self-worth, check out Rick's new 4-hour, live online workshop. You'll learn methods and practices that can actually change your brain and your habits, so you start nurturing your sense of worth and belonging. Our listeners can get 20% off with coupon code BeingWell20: https://selfworthworkshop.com/

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

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    Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month!

    Zocdoc helps you find expert doctors and medical professionals that specialize in the care you need, and deliver the type of experience you want. Head to zocdoc.com/being and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.

    Trust your gut with Seed’s DS-01 Daily Synbiotic. Go to Seed.com/BEINGWELL and use code 25BEINGWELL to get 25% off your first month. 

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    8 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 13 minutes
    Managing the Freeze Response: Dissociation, Emotional Shutdown, and Creating Safety

     What do dissociation, avoidance, and emotional shutdown all have in common? They’re connected to the “freeze” response to stress. In one of our favorite episodes to date, Dr. Rick and Forrest explore the freeze response in detail. 

    They talk about what stress responses are, how they impact our behavior, and why different people tend to default to different coping strategies. Forrest explains what freezing looks like in practice, and why the freeze response can be particularly difficult to navigate. Dr. Rick then shares a number of helpful strategies for working with the freeze response, including strengthening self-confidence, and the feeling of ourselves as someone who can create safety. Towards the end of the episode they discuss managing these tendencies in a relationship.

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction 

    1:15: Understanding stress responses

    9:05: Stress responses in relationship

    15:25: Why it's hard to see that you're freezing

    19:05: Dissociation, and what freezing looks like in practice

    23:55: Steps of moving through dissociation

    30:05: Self-awareness, ‘global’ conditioning, and unconditional positive regard

    38:10: How Rick would work with someone who freezes: a hypothetical case study

    53:45: Seeing yourself as a source of safety

    1:02:55: Recap

    Offer from Dr. Rick: If you'd like to improve your self-worth, check out Rick's new 4-hour, live online workshop. You'll learn methods and practices that can actually change your brain and your habits, so you start nurturing your sense of worth and belonging. Our listeners can get 20% off with coupon code BeingWell20: https://selfworthworkshop.com/

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

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    1 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 15 minutes
    Working with Irrational Fears, Setting Healthy Boundaries, and Understanding Therapy: March Mailbag

    Forrest and Dr. Rick open up the mailbag and answer questions from listeners focused on how we can work with irrational fears, create separation from our thoughts and feelings, and set healthy boundaries in dysfunctional families. Rick then goes off on the topic of “evidence-based” vs. “not evidence-based” approaches to therapy, leading to an interesting conversation about research, statistical significance, and what makes for good therapy. We think you’ll enjoy this one, thanks for listening!

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction 

    1:25: How can I respond to fears I know are irrational?

    11:05: How can I disidentify from my thoughts?

    21:35: How do I set healthy boundaries in a dysfunctional family system?

    39:25: Are “not evidence-based” therapeutic approaches such as IFS or somatic therapy inferior to “evidence-based” approaches like CBT?

    55:20: My relationship is full of conflict, and I’m considering divorce. How should I think this through?

    1:05:10: Recap

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

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    25 March 2024, 10:00 am
  • 55 minutes 55 seconds
    10 Things We Wish We Knew in Our 20s

    Our 20s are a unique decade filled with opportunity…including the opportunity to make a lot of mistakes. On today’s episode, Dr. Rick and Forrest share (roughly) 10 things they wish they’d known back then. They explore the balance of enjoying freedom with the compounding value of effort, a framework for finding meaning and purpose, and some of the common pitfalls that keep us stuck. Regardless of where you are in life, you’ll learn how to find and embrace your natural talents, appreciate meaningful relationships, and see things in a new light. 

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction 

    1:35: The importance of the choices you make in your 20s

    4:45: Balance the freedom of youth with the value of action

    8:00: Embrace mentorship

    13:40: Find the Three Circles: Talent, Enjoyment, and Values

    21:30: Try things, and let yourself change

    24:20: Avoid getting stuck (and codependent relationships)

    27:35: Identify useful feedback

    31:00: Avoid swerving away from natural talents, kindred spirits, good advice, and failure

    36:05: The intrinsic value of creating, and lightening up about results

    38:25: Focus on where you have agency

    44:45: Appreciate relationships based on shared values

    46:55: You get to decide what your relationships look like

    47:50: Showing appreciation for your younger self

    49:50: Recap

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

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    Trust your gut with Seed’s DS-01 Daily Synbiotic. Go to Seed.com/BEINGWELL and use code 25BEINGWELL to get 25% off your first month. 

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    18 March 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    Repairing Self-Abandonment: Anxious Attachment, Healthy Boundaries, and Creating Strong Relationships

    On today’s episode Dr. Rick and Forrest explore self-abandonment, which occurs when we go against our authentic wants, emotions, and boundaries in order to serve others, meet external expectations, or protect ourselves emotionally. They cover where self-abandonment comes from, the psychological function it serves, and the relationship between self-abandonment and similar concepts like anxious attachment, low self-worth, and external referencing. You’ll learn how to set healthy boundaries, stop neglecting yourself, and become more secure from the inside out. 

    You can watch this episode on YouTube.

    Key Topics:

    0:00: Introduction 

    2:00: Common features of self-abandonment

    12:30: Facing the fear of our authentic self being seen

    16:05: Facing shame and self-criticism

    21:00: Self-referencing vs. referencing ourselves in relation to others

    33:10: The belief that safety feels more critical than authenticity

    40:55: Our relationship to nature, and joining with the defense

    50:55: Relationships, openness to change, and bringing parts into awareness

    55:20: Cognitive restructuring, and redefining our self-abandoning beliefs

    58:50: Recap

    Forrest is now writing on Substack, check out his work there. 

    Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.

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    Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month!

    Trust your gut with Seed’s DS-01 Daily Synbiotic. Go to Seed.com/BEINGWELL and use code 25BEINGWELL to get 25% off your first month. 

    Start each day right with IQBAR’s bars, hydration mixes, and mushroom coffees. Just text BEINGWELL to sixty-four thousand (64-000) and get an exclusive offer of 20% off plus free shipping.

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    11 March 2024, 10:00 am
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